We also would like to inform that as the National Sports Association (NSA) governing DanceSport we are a member of the World DanceSport Federation (WDSF) and the Asian DanceSport Federation. (ADSF).
As a Sports body registered with the Sports Commissioner's office under the Sports Development Act, all international competition conducted in Malaysia will require the Sports Commissioner's office consent and knowledge.
We have been approached by the Press to comment on the article. As far as we are concerned such allegation of using a charitable non governmental organisation to sell tickets is acceptable if the whole object of organising the competition is for a Charitable purposes. By that we mean all the proceeds after a proper audit is carried out on the monies received will be handed to the charitable organisation.
However in this newspaper cutting this does not appear to be the case and it would appear that the organiser of the event are using the Charitable organisation to help sell its tickets.
We would like to alert members of the public to be wary of such scams before parting with their money.
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Why is this person like that, even charity also don't give chance. Make money ,make money la, but don't cheat those kanak kanak istimewa.
Are you sure it is a scam Mr. Blogger, I attended the competition recently and I have the souvenir program. No charity is mentioned and not only that Olympic Council of Malaysia Dato Sieh Kok Chi gave a full page message for this competition. There was also a message from Mr. Walter Wat the Senior Vice Chairman of the World Dance Council.
The report was carried in the Star local newspaper and apparently there was a response by one MR. Lim who did not deny that in previous years the competition was organised for that charity. In the event the report made by the Star is untrue then the organiser should take legal action against the charity and the Star papers.
This international dance competition is endorsed and supported by World Dance Council and also the World Dance Council Amateur League and also the Malaysia Dancers Association.These are respected organisations in the Dance business. Can I suggest that you remove this posting altogether. Your organisation is in opposition with these bodies.
Dear Diamond Dance Fan, what I blog is based on a newspaper cutting in the Star. I will be more than happy to retract the statement if the Star carries a retraction of a similar nature. Until and unless there is such a retraction, the Blog remains.
Now who are the victims in this case apart from the charity, I think all the Dancers, adjudicators, spectators , sponsors and those who endorses this event are made to look like fools. As to the Champions you can keep the medals to remind you of your victory in a tainted competition.
Diamond Dance Fan: As far as the public is concerned, this is a tainted event. No pleasure in winning, and the officials are all in cahoots.
It is expected that skydancer4 would distance the organization he is supporting from the event in disrepute that is creating a bad image for dance in Malaysia.
As Diamond Dance Fan stated, World Dance Council and Malaysia Dancers Association and Olympic Council Malaysia supported the event. Are these respected organizations concerned that they are risking their reputation with their involvement? What are they going to do about this?
Based on the report carried in the Star, the event happened in 2009 and upon checking, the full page message, Olympic Council Malaysia had endorsed the event as trial for 2009 Asian Indoor Games. Why is the Olympic Council Malaysia endorsing a company to run sports events as national trials? That the event resulted in controversy and disrepute is sad.
What is the Malaysia Sports Commissioner`s take on this?
Dear Danswer, As far as MYDF are concerned this is a problem for the WDC, WDC-AL league to deal with. This chap I was told is the Sports Director of MDA, if at all there such a position. My Blogging is to disassociate MYDF activities with this person and this event.
Those athletes and adjudicators who are associated with this event deserve what they got. In the mean time we have the World Latin to be concern with and I wish our athlete well in this very difficult competition.
OCM support this charity scam also. I have read the message by the organiser on OCM, I think the way he praise Dato Sieh Kok Chi you may think he is praising GOD himself . I suppose in life to get things done you need to praise people because by nature people like to be praised. What a shame because of one man OCM is being brought into disrepute by associating with this man.
I am from one of the charities that received a donation from the said organiser and from my dealings with them, found that they are the nicest and genuine people from the local dance community. Not many dance bodies cared to make a donation to charities and give free publicity to our cause as this organiser had done. From the Star article,I can only surmise that the NGO concerned is being opportunistic in asking for 50% of table proceeds and giving all charities a bad name!
Dear Anon 10:42am I am truly glad that you have come out and spoke about this event. It would be most responsible of you to call a press conference from the Star and speak in defence of this event. What however I find it strange is you should not hide under an anon and speak openly it is your duty to do so.
Let me recap the issue as carried by the Star, it appears that the organiser did not pay for previous events. I feel that is fradulent and a scam. If the organiser is so sure, he should sue the NGO for defamation. Thank you.
Why are you so sure that the said organiser has not paid the NGO concerned for previous events? If you are recapping the Star article, you should not leave out the part where the NGO was quoted as admitting they did receive a donation from the said organiser for theprevious year. I just think that we should be careful not to smear somebody's reputation by the use of strong words such as fraudulent and scam without first checking with the parties concerned. All I can say is that I believe there is more to this than what has been reported in The Star and we third parties should not jump to hasty conclusions until we hear both side's full account.
Dear Anon 2.53pm thank you for your comments again. I have read the part that the organiser has paid the sum but how much? Was there an agreed sum that the organisers are willing to pay? What makes you think RM 3,000 is a fair sum? Was there an audit carried out on the takings for the event? What was the motive of the event to help the charity NGO or to use the NGO as a vehicle to promote the event. Is it mentioned anywhere?
Say that if part of the proceeds goes to charity, what part was agreed 5 % 10 % 50% or 100%?
Assuming this is not mentioned it goes to conclude that 100% should go to charity.
Anon if matters are made clear and a proper audit is carried out you think RM 3,000 is a fair sum. It may or it may not. The fault lies with the organisers and I think it is presumptions of you to say that the NGO is taking advantage of the situation.
Anon 2.53 pm checking with parties concerned? The Star Metro was silent on the parties concerned , would you like to share with the public who is the Mr. Lim referred to and what is the event you are talking about. Maybe the readers in this Blog would like to hear from you. Incidentally the Star report did not leave a telephone number or the organisers email. Would you care to obliged since you have worked with them before?
Anonymous 2.53pm, Your panties are showing already, might as well bare it all since you know who the person and the event concern.
I read this incidence with fascination and I think it is so cruel to take advantage of an NGO, but to be fair to the organisers, would he be willing to subject an independent audit to be carried out for the past years. Then we can all see the profit the organisers would have made using the NGO charity and then let the public decide if a sum of RM 3,000 or RM 1,500 is a fair sum . Dear Anonymous please ask the organisers to subject the 3 years event to an audit. This will clean his name absolutely.
Is the present event (whatever event you are talking about) is it a charitable event or not? Can anyone tell so that we can clear the air for the organisers.
You all are jokers talking in riddles la, everyone knows which competition and who is the "chow kar" here but you all make like don't know only. Some more if the Mr. Lim really got real "lampar" come out and tell reporters and say that they are talking about him and name his organisation la. But as usual this botak boh lampar will make like don't know only.
I think it is very telling that no mention was made of the organiser's name or contact details in The Star article. If the NGO is truly concerned that the organizer is cheating the public using its name, then the logical thing to do would have been to name the organiser concerned so that the public would be cautioned. However this was not done. Instead all we have are unverified innuendos, allegations and accusations against an unnamed organizer, yet the whole local dancing community, including yourself, seems to be aware of the identity of the organizer. Would you care to do a public service by revealing the organizer's name so there is no doubt whose case we are all so worked up over?
Anon 6.20 pm there is no duty on my part or the Blogging community to name this person or his event. However you have made it clear and apparent that you have worked with him before, the duty now lies on you to reveal his name and identity not us. As a Blogger I rely on what is reported in the Star Metro, no more no less, to me it is sufficient to warn the members of the public of the scam as complained by the NGO. It matters not who is the perpetrator of the scam, but our caution to the public or our members is merely to be careful. If you think think that he is right and charitable, why hide his identity, come out in the open and identify himself. No there is no poor reflection on the NGO because the said Mr.Lim was also interviewed by the reporter. We can also ask the same question is it not telling that this Mr. Lim refuse to tell the Star Metro report of his full identity and his event?
Anon 6.20 pm defend him by all means and the event , but so far what you have forwarded lack convincing substance, read the comments in the Blog there are ways to clear his name like doing an audit.
Anonymous, September 7, 2011 10:42 AM should give the NGO the credit of coming upfront in public on the matter.
I believe it is not easy decision for that NGO to go public and they must have good reason to do so. Why on earth would they demand for 50%? 50% of what? Could it be a substantial figure that the NGO felt it worthwhile to go for broke?
By now, I believe most in the dance community would speculate and know this Mr Lim and his organization in question although not specifically named in the report and in this blog.
Mr Lim should take the responsibility to go public and clarify the matter, to stop all the what could be, unverified innuendos, allegations, accusations and speculations.
Right now, there is no stopping everyone loving some gossip or two and for those innocent dance organizations and bystanders out there, you can only expect them to say, It wasn`t me...
@ skydancer4 - If you see it fit to warn your members of scams, then why stop short of naming the perpetrator since you have given us all the impression that you know the identity of the perpetrator well? Your statement that you are under no duty to name the organiser concerned to the blogging community and your members is inconsistent with your stated intention to caution them of scams. On the contrary, now that you have drawn your members' attention to this so-called scam, then why not follow through by identifying the perpetrator to all? As for whether my earlier comments urging all to exercise restraint and give the parties concerned a chance to give their full account before making any conclusions are convincing, I leave to your readers to decide for themselves. It would appear from your vitriol here that you have already reached your conclusion based on third party reporting which is essentially what The Star article is.
Anon 1.28am you are not only incoherent, you are illogical. I never gave the impression that I know the identity of this person or the event. Read my Blog and you will know. I have made it amply clear that the Blog was written based on the Star Metro report on the 22nd August. You on the other hand claim to have worked with this organiser before and I commended you for defending him. Now if you claim that he is so innocent and you believe in his cause, you are suppose to name him for the benefit of the readers. You see on one hand you want to defend him and run the NGO of taking advantage of the situation, on the other hand you do seem to have the confidence to name the man and his organisation but insist that I do.
Read the Star report, no name was mentioned except one Mr. Lim. I do not work on assumption, my readers may assume the identity of the person but I do not. The vitrol that you claim is targeted not only on what was reported in the Star but to other Dance event that uses NGO to promote their function and finally do not pay them or pay a paltry sum.
You are not doing any service to the Man or the organisation you are defending, as a matter of fact you are drowning his cause.Your perception on this Blog posting is wrong, you get the impression from the comments from this Blog that we know this man.That is your mistake not mine.
Dear skydancer4 - I read with interest Anonymous latest comment this morning but found that it gone as I was reading half way through.
Can you please allow Anonymous' comment to remain on this comment page as he has raised some valid points. Thank you!
Dear Dance Fan, For your information I do not trash any comments validly made in the discussion at hand. I will only delete the comments if it is vulgar or irrelavant. I may not agree with what annoymous has written or said but she is entiled to her views. Please do not suggest that I censor views that are contrary to this issue. I hope Annonymous can help the organiser solve this matter amicably and until the matter is resolved the report in THe Star Metro will stand as testimony and a warning to our members and the public of the scam that is going on.
Dance Fan don't tokkok la, this is not the way to run down skydancer la. If he want to take out blog posting there are many on anonymous posting he can take out la. you make like he is selective and only post what you want to see. This is bull shit la. this problem until now the chow kar has not solved why? charity la pay them if you make use of their name.
Dear Skydancer4 you say you take out posting that is vulgar. Why are you allowing Ahkow remarks on the organiser to remain on your Blog? Are you not practicing double standard here?
Diamond Dance Fan, which part of Akkow posting is vulgar? Anyone can tell me which part of Ahkow posting is vulgar?
Dear Diamond Dance Fan, Ahkow is merely voicing out his opinion. No need to run him down just because he had said something you dont want to hear. Thank you.
Dear Mr Skydancer, How come the international body did not take action against this botak chow kar? Dia all like make don't know only. I think the body also same same as the botak chow kar
I think it is very telling that no mention was made of the organiser's name or contact details in The Star article. If the NGO is truly concerned that the organizer is cheating the public using its name, then the logical thing to do would have been to name the organiser concerned so that the public would be cautioned. However this was not done. Instead all we have are unverified innuendos, allegations and accusations against an unnamed organizer, yet the whole local dancing community, including yourself, seems to be aware of the identity of the organizer. Would you care to do a public service by revealing the organizer's name so there is no doubt whose case we are all so worked up over?
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